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AI is Transforming How People Use the Legal System
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Artificial Intelligence is transforming the legal industry, but can you really trust ChatGPT, Claude, or other AI tools when your career, lawsuit, marriage, or future is on the line?
In this episode of The Glamorous Grind, employment attorney Mila Arutunian and family law specialist Ilona Antonyan discuss how AI is rapidly transforming the legal landscape and modern relationships. From clients relying on ChatGPT for million-dollar case valuations to emotional affairs with AI chatbots, they explore the incredible benefits, and the hidden dangers, of generative AI.
You'll learn why lawyers still verify every AI-generated answer, how AI can create unrealistic legal expectations, why context matters in lawsuits, and how technology is beginning to reshape marriage, divorce, and human relationships.
Whether you're using ChatGPT for legal research, relationship advice, work problems, or everyday decision-making, this episode explains why AI should be treated as a powerful assistant—not a replacement for professional expertise or human judgment.
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Would you divorce your spouse over an emotional affair with Chad GPT? Or what if Claude convinced you that you had the perfect wrongful termination case and everything it told you was completely wrong?
SPEAKER_00What you put in is what you get back. A lot of people are still getting trained on how to use AI, generative AI, and how to prompt because it gets things wrong. It's not just about hallucination anymore. Machine learning and artificial intelligence are revolutionizing so many areas of life, but many people forget that AI is just a tool, not a crystal ball. We're seeing AI use come up in some surprising context with our legal clients.
SPEAKER_01We're gonna tell some funny stories from perspective and past clients, give you some practical advice, and examine why AI is making people more confident, but sometimes more wrong. This is the glamorous grind.
SPEAKER_00And now it's showing up in divorce cases, employment disputes, and even settlement negotiations. Today we're talking about how AI is changing our jobs and your life.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I would definitely say that I am very cognizant of clients who use AI. I usually do not sign those clients if they are very aggressive about their AI analysis because not because I think they're wrong or bad, I just feel that I am going to be unable to manage their expectations. So no matter what resolution I'm able to obtain for them, they will not be happy. I mean, I've explained it to clients several times, both on PI and employment cases, AI is not really able to evaluate the proper value of the case. On personal injury cases, most of the time, even if you have millions of dollars in injuries, but the policy is $30,000, it doesn't matter how many injuries you have or how much treatment you get, you're kind of stuck with the policy. You have to make a policy limits demand first before you can get anything more. And most of the time, if your injuries are substantial enough to qualify for the $30,000 policy, they pay that out and you're done.
SPEAKER_00Or you may open up the policy if they don't respond in 30 days, and then you could go for unlimited damages that may cover what your pain and suffering is and special expenses such as medical bills. But that's if they don't miss the deadline.
SPEAKER_01So AI is not very good at assessing, you know, the value of the case because it doesn't know the policy limits, and a lot of times you may be stuck to that.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely true, except for let's not use the word always pay because insurance company will not always pay. It depends on what your policy limits are. If you have the minimum policy limits of like 30,000, maybe 50 or 100, okay, you have a good chance they may pay out. But if you have half a million dollars or a higher policy, they're not gonna just take out their checkbooks.
SPEAKER_01Of course, no, but I'm I'm saying generally speaking, if you put your case facts into Chad GPT and they give you analysis of the case, they're not gonna take into consideration all of these other factors that you need attorneys for.
SPEAKER_00Of course. What you put in is what you get back, and a lot of people are still getting trained on how to use AI, generative AI, and how to prompt the system. If you enter an open-ended question, it'll pull data from a whole bunch of sources on the internet that will not be specific to your situation. Right. So you have to guide it a certain way for it to give you better advice. Right. Even us as attorneys, uh, the the state bar recently issued an AI guidance policy. We're allowed to use AI. There are many platforms that we use, you know, Co-Counsel through Westlaw, Alexis, you know, ever people use Claw, Chad GPT, there are many different AI platforms now, but we're required to check what it produces, to check the facts, to check the analysis, and use human knowledge and expertise to evaluate before we provide it to clients because it gets things wrong. It's not just about hallucination anymore. It's gonna read right, it's gonna look perfect, but its conclusions may be wrong because it needs new to have that information that a general pro pur wouldn't have when it comes to legal issues, things that we learn in law school, things that we learn through experience and in practice that we would know to ask or to prompt it to think about, and then it will completely change its answer. Right.
SPEAKER_01A lot of people put in the facts and maybe they're egregious, but at the same time, you look at the damages, and AI is not always able to ascertain effectively what the damages are. It may be something very egregious, and maybe they did experience emotional distress because of it. And maybe AI is gonna say they have $200,000 in damages because of the emotional distress they've experienced, but they have past trauma and they've been getting therapy for five years because of an abusive relationship or something else that also contributed to the emotional distress and the therapy they had to obtain. AI is not gonna take that into account. And the client, the potential client won't even know to put that in for AI to take that into account. So I get that all the time where people say, well, Chat GPT says my case is worth X, Y, and Z. And then the second part is yes, your case may be worth X, Y, and Z if we take it all the way through trial. I mean, it's inevitable that when you settle a case before the trial, you know, you're gonna be paid a little bit less. That's kind of the the payoff. So um it's it's been very difficult trying to manage client expectations with AI. I do my best, but immediately, even in an intake, when I see that the client is using AI and is very confident in Chat GPT's findings, I immediately to have it's like a red flag for me. Like, I don't think that this relationship is gonna work out.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think it's about boundaries. I love AI myself. I know it's limitations. I love playing around with it, testing it, seeing if it's accurate or not, challenging it, trying new things. And I love clients who use it, think it's great. But it's funny when you receive something from a client that's super long and they want you to read it, and they send you a lot of it constantly, demanding your time to read something that may not be relevant at all to what you're helping them at that time. So they may be wasting their retainer because it's attorneys in family law who charge on an hourly basis. Client pays a retainer, it goes into a client trust account, we'll bill for our time per hour. So if a client is using Chad GPT and is sending us books, pages to read, and they want us to know everything about their life and the case that they've dictated to Chad GPT and now wrote us a book. Well, guess what? It's gonna drain your retainer, and you're not gonna have sufficient funds available to complete the rest of your goals you have, for which you may have a budget. Be careful and not giving your attorney too much information that you want them to know that they may not need yet. That your attorney will ask you what facts they need, what information, what documents they need. Provide that. The time it may take for them to review multiple pages of facts that portion of them would be relevant to what they need could be saved towards projects that will advance your case further at the right time.
SPEAKER_01Do you think, in your experience, that most prospective clients are using AI in a way that makes them more informed, or have you seen that they're kind more blindly trusting it?
SPEAKER_00Depends on the person and their level of education and comfort with AI. I think most people don't blindly trust it. At least after you tested it out for a while, you realize it makes mistakes, and it's not just about hallucinations, it's about conclusions. Depends on your life experiences and your age, right? By 40, you know whether certain things are true or not. In your 20s, you may not know that and believe it blindly because you haven't been there, haven't done that. So you're unable to issue spot. I've had two types of clients who use AI.
SPEAKER_01The first set are the ones who say, Hey, I know your assessment is X, but I looked this up and it found Y. Can you explain this to me? Now I respect that and I am glad to do that and sit down and talk them through it. The second set is the ones that come to me aggressively and act like I am not advocating for them because Chat GPT said their case is worth $10 million and I'm recommending that they settle for $150. And that is where I have a problem because, you know, I'm on your side. That's what I always tell them. We're on the same side. So, you know, I find that also it depends on the person and definitely people's approach to it makes a big difference in how I approach the clients. Um, I think I I agree with you. I think AI is a wonderful resource, a wonderful tool. It expedites so much and just saves so much value. It has so much value and saves so much resources, but you do have to be cautious in using it as an informational source, but still try to utilize critical thinking to ensure that it all makes sense.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. I think it's really funny when attorneys even send emails. I can tell by the font and the dashes in their pleadings that it's through Chad GPT. And I'm like, at least, can you just change your font or take out the dashes so I know that it's not Chad GPT speaking with me?
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I totally understand. I've seen that as well. And clients do that too. The other day, actually, I mentioned that to one of my clients. I'm like, okay, if you're gonna send that text to someone, take out the dashes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Have you had clients who divorced over an AI-related affair?
SPEAKER_00We've had consultations where a client was suspicious of someone having an affair. Really?
SPEAKER_01They like check the chat GPT messages. Correct. I saw a meme the other day where it was like a boyfriend and girlfriend sitting, and the girlfriend says to the boyfriend, I'm sad, and he just goes, Don't be sad. And then she goes, and then she like checks her phone and puts in, I'm sad, and Chat GPT is like, Don't worry, I'm with you. Let's talk this out. What are you sad about? You're not alone. And she just like leaves her boyfriend, gets up, and walks away. And it's funny, but at the same time, like that is what our future is gonna hold. That people feel more comfortable communicating with AI than other people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, in preparing for this episode, I found a Reddit post and it was pretty funny. This guy says that he has been chatting about his relationship with his girlfriend about with Chad GPT about his girlfriend, and named the Chad GPT chat Emma. And then the girlfriend, who wasn't proud of it, looked through his phone and found that he's asking all these questions and speaking with Emma and started questioning him about it. And he feels like the Chad GPT understands him a lot better. Um, same situation like you've described than speaking with her, and it's hard to prove to her that it's not a real person that he's having an affair with that he is chatting with. Yes. So it's becoming a thing. Chat GPT probably does understand him better. A lot of people use Chad GPT's therapist. A lot of my clients do. It's just it's meant to agree with you. That's a thing. Yeah. Again, it's like whether whether it's Chad GPT or you go to a real therapist of your own, imagine if the other person is not in the room. If you are in therapy, individual therapy, and you're complaining about your ex, you're gonna tell them all the horrible things that person has done to you and the way you've perceived it and the way it made you feel, which the same story could be told absolutely differently by the other person with additional facts and information that you're not sharing. You're doing the same thing with Chad GPT, giving it one side of the story, and then it's trained to agree with you because even if you tell it, hey, it's wrong, it's gonna apologize. Say, you're totally correct, I'm wrong, and it'll go off apologizing, fixing things the way you want it to do, whether or not you're wrong.
SPEAKER_01I have I have used Chat GPT in a different way. I'll be like totally honest with you. Every once in a while, I find myself like in a conflict and I feel prideful, and I'll put in both sides to Chat GPT, and I'll be like, give me the other person's perspective because when you're angry, it's really hard to be empathetic. So I like look at the other person's perspective through the Chat GPT, and then it tells me, and I'm like, okay, well, maybe. And I ask to do like a real neutral evaluation of the conflict because I feel like it kind of like cools me down a little bit and makes me see a little clearer. So I think if you're able to put your ego aside and do that, it's helpful.
SPEAKER_00That's actually good advice for our family law clients who are in custody disputes to ask it to see it from the other person's side, but many don't want to or not ready and have such disdain for the other person that it's hard to see it from their perspective.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I could see that. It's I don't know. I feel like it's really dangerous because generally our up-and-coming generations already have so much trouble communicating, you know, especially after COVID. The young kids are just struggling to have basic communication skills with the uprise of social media and you know how people think they're gonna be perceived and all of these things. But then you throw in this like empathetic, like chat GPT who understands everything, or whatever AI system that actually will understand these kids. And I just think it will really long term put a hamper in kids' ability to communicate if we don't control it.
SPEAKER_00Everything changes, the times change. I don't I think people will adapt. I hope so, and it'll be fine. Every human being, whether or not we have technology, seeks human interaction company to feel sane. I mean, I recently saw on Facebook that in China they've released a robot that looks just like a human being. It says it's soon. They're working on it becoming an intimate partner for people, but for now it's not yet prepared. However, it is an emotional partner. The creator who's speaking about uh his product is not the most attractive guy, actually, one of the least attractive men you'll ever see. And I understand why he was driven to create this robot. And what he said about it is that it will not betray you, it'll be kind to you, it'll always understand and listen to you no matter what. It's not gonna leave you. And what do we deal with in relationships? You become poor, you may get dumped, you become ugly, um, they may leave you for someone better looking. There's so much shit happening in real relationships betrayal, jealousy, friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, all that. Somebody always wants a piece of you in some way. And he's created a product, a robot that'll be loyal to him, whether or not he's rich, whether or not he's ugly or good looking, no matter what. And eventually he wants to have sex with it, but not yet. He's working on it. But that's where the world is going. Is there anything wrong with it? No, I mean I don't see anything wrong with it. If it keeps somebody sane and you sleep with whoever you want, you do what you want, it's nobody's business. You want to have a relationship with a robot, how go ahead if it's gonna keep you sane and happy, rather than sitting by yourself at home and being all alone and being suicidal.
SPEAKER_01To disagree with you. Why? Because I think that we're in a society where people chase comfort, and those people, that guy or whoever else, he's just like, I'm sad and lonely. And I like I'm gonna sit and not find anyone because this is my comfort zone. And he's so scared to get out of his comfort zone, and he's essentially creating this robot. So other people who also crave real communication and real relationships are also gonna be like, Well, why do I need to step out of my comfort zone and do something that makes me uncomfortable? Let me just get this like quick dopamine hit by creating a fake robot instead.
SPEAKER_00I disagree with you because he doesn't need to go and hunt for some wife in some village that he may not be attracted to and have to tolerate her attitude. But that's dealing with all the BSs of life. But that's if he's happy with a robot, he can focus his energy to contribute to the well-being of society in some other productive way. Because he's not gonna be focusing his time on fighting and arguing and all this on productivity here. I just focus on being productive and creating one of the other things.
SPEAKER_01One of the things in our society right now is like chasing quick dopamine hits, chasing shortcuts. And this is just one of those things. People are like, I'm too lazy, I'm too scared, I don't feel like chasing like real relationships. Like real relationships are not being super attracted to someone and having fun and being emotionally supported. It's like early mornings, late nights, morning breaths, like dealing with annoying ass kids and like wanting to lose your shit all the time. Like that's real life that people have dealt with for generations, and now no one wants to deal with it because it's hard.
SPEAKER_00Those who want to reproduce will have to deal with it. Those who don't will not. They'll find a robot because you know, it's either look, we have cats, we have dogs, a robot will be an addition to our households in the next several decades. But then, like, no one will ever waiting list for Elon's a robot. Yeah, I actually am too. I want him to clean my house. Yeah, I need that. I need to wash my dishes. I wanted to wash my house, fold my towels. Okay, go hire yourself to do that.
SPEAKER_01This is the emotional connection. I think every person needs an emotional connection. And if we start coming outside of that and feeling like it's acceptable to crave that and get it from an inanimate object as opposed to another human being, I think that could be a long-term problem for our society. And I think it doesn't say so much about that person or that robot, but as much as it does like underlying our society of like now real connection is gone. People connect, people who literally feel statistically proven, feel closer to strangers on social media than they do in people and they know real and real things.
SPEAKER_00It's not any different just because they're Chad GPT. Think about AOL. I don't know how old were you at that point. Maybe I was like 16, so you're probably it was like the best dopamine hit in the world. There were like AOL chat rooms and it's the same shit, just different technology. And what happened? People still had boyfriends, girlfriends, because naturally that's what everybody seeks. It's gonna continue to happen. That's the biology of human race. I hope so. If you can, you will. If you cannot, and you're in a bad place, it may help you get to a better place when you're ready.
SPEAKER_01And now it's time for let's get gritty. Are you ready? Let's do it. Okay. Let's see what our listener question is today. Okay, this is a long one. Recently, I, a 33-year-old female, and my husband, a 32-year-old male, have grown distant. It began slowly, but over the course of a couple of months, the change has become noticeable. Last weekend I arranged a camping trip for just the two of us. While on our way to the campground, I noticed my husband being rather protective over his phone. I questioned him about it and in response he put his phone back into his pocket while not answering any of my questions. He repeatedly claimed he needed to get something from the car throughout the trip, and every time I saw him pulling out his phone. Not suspicious at all. When we went to bed the following night, I waited until he fell asleep and took his phone to the bathroom for a check. Good job, girl. I'm not proud of this, but I did find the cause of the distancing. Instead of finding girls on his phone, I found a series of AI chatbot apps where he was talking to these anime women. The conversations were very explicit, to say the least. I brought it up at breakfast the morning after, and he deflected. I asked how much money he spent on this, and he got very quiet and wouldn't answer. In my rage, I screamed and threatened to force packed my bags. I'm currently at my dad's house to give me time to reflect. I'm so hurt and honestly betrayed. Yeah, I feel silly at the same time. I want our marriage to work out, but to me this feels like the step before cheating with a real woman. How do we move on from this? Ugh.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm sorry that happened. Certainly feels like a betrayal, but what I'm hearing is that he is addicted to these apps. So he has codependency with his phone and emotional addiction as well. If you want to save the marriage because you love him, and so far you believe it's only with technology that he's having an affair, not with another human being, your options are to seek marital counseling as well as require that he attends individual counseling because he will have withdrawal symptoms as he works through letting his addiction go. You've noticed this distance the last three to four months. So there's still a chance because it has. Been that long. It's gonna be easier, I think, to get him off this wrong path rather than if it was happening for years. But I don't know, you'll have to talk to professionals about that. So, step one, marital counseling. He needs to commit to go to individual counseling to deal with his withdrawal symptoms, like people have with any sort of addiction, whether it's alcohol or drugs. And then you're gonna have to tolerate all that. I'm sure he's gonna try to cheat and go back to his phone. There are gonna be those moments. How are you gonna react? You have to envision what is that gonna be like? And are you gonna be supportive or are you gonna be angry? Is that gonna result in a fight and then reaffirmation of your feelings? You're done with him and you're you want to divorce? Or are you gonna see it from a different perspective? I have a husband who is addicted, whom I love very much, and want to save this marriage. He's not cheating on me with another woman. He's addicted to bots and is expressing sexual fantasies that perhaps he wasn't able or didn't feel safe to explore with me. He'll have to deal in marital counseling and or just talk to each other at home without a professional involved, whether or not he can get like that with you. Can he talk to you like that? Can he explore sexual fantasies with you rather than with Chadbots?
SPEAKER_01I think it's important to also address the fact that addiction is not because of lack of willpower. Addict, I mean, the brain is a machine and it's scientific, and addiction is chasing dopamine, right? So keeping all of that in mind. It's not like he's going out there trying to find something, and he's actually addicted, and I think uh addiction to chatbots, and we're gonna see him more and more, just like now porn addiction is a thing. It's really all in the same realm of sex addiction. It's needing a dopamine fix, constantly chasing this, you know, sexual desires and sexual feelings. Um, and I think she needs to keep that in mind. It's it's actually a disease, and it's considered a disease under the American with Disabilities Act. Addiction is a legally recognized disease because it's not something that people can control. So if she really loves him and feels like he is the one for her, he his brain is searching for this because it's the only way that he finds joy in this time of his life and he's gonna need rehabilitation.
SPEAKER_00You just made me wonder whether the marital vows apply here for better or worse. This is the worse. Are you gonna stick around or not? I mean, it's a personal choice. Maybe you don't know. Maybe they're uh he is cheating with others, maybe it's just stage one, and if he needs that, I mean, look, generally people, especially in young relationships, when it comes to cheating, they want novelty, something new, that excitement, like said dopamine level. This is stage one, can progress stage two, three, and four. Is it preventable? Is it only going to be in remission for a period of time? It's worth finding out if you love him, but it hurts. And aside from just helping him, you need help dealing with that as well. Because what it's telling you is like, what's missing? What's wrong with me? Why does he have to talk to chat bots instead of being able to share that with me? His perspective may be I can't talk to my wife like that. Uh, I can't be this kinky with her. She'll maybe is too religious, or she won't understand, she'll think I'm dirty or crazy, and that's not how she knows me. So just be open with each other. It's already out in the open. You you said you saw his explicit messages. You know how he thinks and how he wants to talk. Are you up for that? If you're not, there's no point to invest time in curing something that he is likely to experience withdrawal symptoms from and resort back to, and likely you're gonna catch him doing it again.
SPEAKER_01Well, and I think just as important in her uh her desire to stay with him and help him is his desire to be helped. Correct. He has to be on board, he has to be acknowledging the fact that this is a problem. Because I think a lot of people in that situation where they're addicted to sex, but they're not technically cheating, their response would be, well, I'm not really doing anything wrong. And if that's the case, then I don't think it's fixable. If he's not acknowledging that it's uh wrong and it's hurtful and it's betraying to her, then I don't think therapy or counseling will help because he's just going to be on the defensive.
SPEAKER_00You know, the fact that you said you questioned him about it and in response, he just put his phone back in his pocket. He's smart enough to remain silent rather than incriminate himself. Then I'm sure you went through the rest of his texts and you didn't see any texts with other women. But have you checked every app he has on his phone? Not to make you paranoid, but uh I know some men who have apps where they keep secret photographs that they don't want their wives to see. Uh a long time ago, someone I know showed me this calculator. Looks like a calculator on your phone, but you can actually put all your secret text messages with different women and photos, and no one will find out. But it looks like an app is a calculator, but it's not. So there could be other disguised apps on the phone that not scare you, but it's possible. And if he's gonna commit to not doing it again and you don't go to therapy, and if he doesn't get help for this clear addiction, then he'll probably find other deceitful ways to find apps that could potentially be disguised on his cell phone to chat with anime bots without you knowing they'll be hard to find or identify. At least I think there's a great risk of that.
SPEAKER_01I think the fact that he's hid this from her, he's tried to continue hiding it from her, he didn't admit that he was wrong, all red flags when it came to him. I understand he's uncomfortable, but to me that points to the fact that he, at least at this time, doesn't fully acknowledge how wrong his behavior is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't think he sees anything wrong with it and he thinks like, well, I'm not really cheating, I'm what I'm doing is innocent. And he doesn't he probably doesn't realize he has an addiction yet.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Somebody professional needs to tell him that. Hearing it from her, he's not it's not gonna register the same way. For sure.
SPEAKER_01I will ask you one first. Sure. Red flag, green flag. Your partner creates an AI version of their ex just to talk.
SPEAKER_00Of course, dump him. I mean, why that means he got dumped. And I'll be so pissed off if that happened. Any human being would be. Is it his fault? Like that robot they want to sleep with.
SPEAKER_01Do you think that someone would be angry if their boyfriend or girlfriend had a robot they were sleeping with? Is that the same thing as cheating?
SPEAKER_00If it's secret, then yes. If it's an open, then no. Like I know a couple of single guys that are not in committed relationships. And sometimes there are a lot of women on their radar, and sometimes there are none. And they're during the dry season, they have a cute little doll they keep in the closet. Now, do I think that's gross? I'll keep that opinion to myself. Is it any of my business? No, I don't care what they sleep with. Emotional connection is important for everyone, it keeps us sane, makes us feel human. Uh, it keeps you in good spirits. It's absolutely necessary. But now comes in many different forms and ways and whatever suits you. Oh, red flag or green flag. You bring 147-page AI legal brief to your consultation. Red flag.
SPEAKER_01Why do you need me? Why do you need me if you already wrote a 147-page brief? And that's the other thing. Like you were talking about how sometimes your clients provide you with way too much information and waste their retainer. I don't get paid by the hour. I have a contingency. So whether the case is worth $10,000 or $100,000, doesn't matter if I spend 10,000 hours on it or 10 hours on it. We're just scratching the surface. AI is changing the courtroom faster than most people realize.
SPEAKER_00So we want to hear from you. Would you consider an AI relationship cheating? And have you ever trusted AI only to discover that it was wrong?
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SPEAKER_00I love AI. It's an amazing tool, but remember to test it and verify what it says. How far it can take you depends on how much you know and how effectively you challenge it. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time on the Glamorous Grind.
